1 00:00:22,970 --> 00:00:09,090 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,220 --> 00:00:25,980 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:29,230 episode number 354 for the second of 4 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:31,930 august 2015 Richard Saunders here with 5 00:00:38,190 --> 00:00:35,170 you back in Sydney Australia all the 6 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:38,200 jetlag old in here the jetlag coming 7 00:00:43,590 --> 00:00:40,800 from California to Sydney is not so bad 8 00:00:46,049 --> 00:00:43,600 not so bad I've been waking up at about 9 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:46,059 three o'clock in the morning 330 if I'm 10 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:49,450 lucky four o'clock and then falling 11 00:00:54,540 --> 00:00:52,690 asleep despite my best efforts come or 12 00:00:57,870 --> 00:00:54,550 seven o'clock eight o'clock in the 13 00:01:01,260 --> 00:00:57,880 evening it's not so bad I can deal with 14 00:01:03,630 --> 00:01:01,270 that and as the days go on the jet lag 15 00:01:05,249 --> 00:01:03,640 gets a bit better and better it's going 16 00:01:07,710 --> 00:01:05,259 from Sydney to California that's always 17 00:01:10,469 --> 00:01:07,720 a bit rough nevertheless Here I am back 18 00:01:12,870 --> 00:01:10,479 in Sydney and I'm very glad to be back 19 00:01:16,710 --> 00:01:12,880 in Sydney because this Thursday folks 20 00:01:20,430 --> 00:01:16,720 this thursday at Sydney skeptics in the 21 00:01:22,980 --> 00:01:20,440 pub Thursday the sixth of August 22 00:01:24,749 --> 00:01:22,990 starting at 6pm crown hotel the corner 23 00:01:27,210 --> 00:01:24,759 of Elizabeth and Goulburn streets in the 24 00:01:31,469 --> 00:01:27,220 city near museum station just head 25 00:01:34,830 --> 00:01:31,479 upstairs it's the skeptic zone live yes 26 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:34,840 join me Stefan sojka Maynard Joe 27 00:01:41,070 --> 00:01:37,780 alabaster Iran sir give and I'm 28 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:41,080 delighted to say hi d robinson in person 29 00:01:46,350 --> 00:01:43,780 with a special pre-recorded message from 30 00:01:49,290 --> 00:01:46,360 dr. Rachel skeptics in the pub the 31 00:01:51,270 --> 00:01:49,300 skeptic zone live I think it's going to 32 00:01:53,969 --> 00:01:51,280 be a great night folks come and see the 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:53,979 recording of a podcast this podcast as a 34 00:02:00,300 --> 00:01:55,810 matter of fact for more information go 35 00:02:02,999 --> 00:02:00,310 to meetup com / aust a u.s. T skeptics 36 00:02:05,070 --> 00:02:03,009 and you should be see all the 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:05,080 information there we'd love to see you 38 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:07,090 there we'd love to see you there what 39 00:02:11,190 --> 00:02:08,770 fun it's going to be having done a 40 00:02:13,949 --> 00:02:11,200 skeptic zone live for a long time but 41 00:02:17,190 --> 00:02:13,959 let's let's see what's coming up on the 42 00:02:20,010 --> 00:02:17,200 show this week I speak to Michael 43 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:20,020 Marshall again always very happy to 44 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:21,610 speak to Michael Marshall from the good 45 00:02:27,630 --> 00:02:25,510 thinking society in the UK wow wow what 46 00:02:30,070 --> 00:02:27,640 an investigation they've completed just 47 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:30,080 recently on palm readers or palm 48 00:02:34,990 --> 00:02:32,090 Peter Pyle read is a very popular in the 49 00:02:36,580 --> 00:02:35,000 UK in many seaside towns and the good 50 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:36,590 thinking society went along with a 51 00:02:41,740 --> 00:02:38,510 hidden camera and what they discovered 52 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:41,750 folks is well I'd like to say it's 53 00:02:45,910 --> 00:02:43,550 surprising sadly it's not surprising but 54 00:02:47,530 --> 00:02:45,920 it's startling nevertheless coming up at 55 00:02:49,630 --> 00:02:47,540 the top of the show Michael Marshall 56 00:02:50,950 --> 00:02:49,640 from the good thinking society joins us 57 00:02:54,490 --> 00:02:50,960 to tell us more about their 58 00:02:58,780 --> 00:02:54,500 investigation into palm readers are they 59 00:03:00,670 --> 00:02:58,790 genuine hmm following that it's a week 60 00:03:04,420 --> 00:03:00,680 in science from the Royal Institution of 61 00:03:05,950 --> 00:03:04,430 Australia w WR a usaa you as we say 62 00:03:08,650 --> 00:03:05,960 every week because it's a good place I 63 00:03:10,570 --> 00:03:08,660 was there when was I they had a December 64 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:10,580 last year wow what a great time I had at 65 00:03:14,230 --> 00:03:12,110 the Royal Institution of Australia if 66 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:14,240 you're in Adelaide folks you're going to 67 00:03:18,370 --> 00:03:16,130 Adelaide if you live in Adelaide make 68 00:03:20,410 --> 00:03:18,380 sure you visit the Royal Institution of 69 00:03:22,390 --> 00:03:20,420 Australia adelaide what a great place 70 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:22,400 and i'm so pleased that they give us 71 00:03:27,100 --> 00:03:25,250 every week a week in science I always 72 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:27,110 look forward to hearing the segment 73 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:30,410 myself then to round off the show well 74 00:03:36,940 --> 00:03:32,570 an interesting bit one from the archive 75 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:36,950 sort of now back in 2009 i joined the 76 00:03:42,670 --> 00:03:39,769 nonsense podcast with my friend Jason 77 00:03:45,699 --> 00:03:42,680 our master talent investigation into 78 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:45,709 animal psychics so I went along with a 79 00:03:51,250 --> 00:03:48,050 doctor rachy our friend bastard sheep 80 00:03:53,259 --> 00:03:51,260 and Jason from the nonsense podcast and 81 00:03:57,130 --> 00:03:53,269 we SAT there for a couple of hours and 82 00:04:00,009 --> 00:03:57,140 listen to an animal psychic an animal 83 00:04:02,620 --> 00:04:00,019 communicator a telepath somebody who can 84 00:04:05,590 --> 00:04:02,630 talk to the animals or so she claimed 85 00:04:07,590 --> 00:04:05,600 and after we finished that up we all 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:07,600 went down to the Chinese restaurant and 87 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:10,010 that's where we pick up the action here 88 00:04:16,930 --> 00:04:13,310 us give our mmm thoughts and opinions on 89 00:04:18,820 --> 00:04:16,940 an animal psychic now I'm playing this 90 00:04:20,770 --> 00:04:18,830 partly because it's a very interesting 91 00:04:22,210 --> 00:04:20,780 one from the archives I haven't played 92 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:22,220 on the skeptic zone before although 93 00:04:27,909 --> 00:04:24,890 would have been originally played on the 94 00:04:30,490 --> 00:04:27,919 nonsense podcast and it really does that 95 00:04:32,980 --> 00:04:30,500 remind us all that it's important to go 96 00:04:35,170 --> 00:04:32,990 and see these things go to a mind-body 97 00:04:38,140 --> 00:04:35,180 wallet go to a psychic show go through a 98 00:04:41,890 --> 00:04:38,150 mystic fair it's good to see these 99 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:41,900 things firsthand oh and just before we 100 00:04:43,930 --> 00:04:43,310 get into the show don't forget the 101 00:04:46,570 --> 00:04:43,940 Australian ski 102 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:46,580 national convention coming up October 103 00:04:53,890 --> 00:04:49,010 the 16th to the 18th in brisbane 104 00:04:55,780 --> 00:04:53,900 convention dot brisbane skeptics dog is 105 00:04:59,380 --> 00:04:55,790 the place you should go to to find out 106 00:05:00,970 --> 00:04:59,390 more what a lineup what a lineup of top 107 00:05:03,580 --> 00:05:00,980 international and local skeptics 108 00:05:07,030 --> 00:05:03,590 including brian schmidt joe nickell 109 00:05:09,940 --> 00:05:07,040 Eugenie Scott Susan grbac the list goes 110 00:05:12,430 --> 00:05:09,950 on and on and on and look out for 111 00:05:14,890 --> 00:05:12,440 various skeptic zone reporters while 112 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:14,900 you're there if we walk up to you with a 113 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:17,570 microphone don't run away we're going to 114 00:05:22,510 --> 00:05:19,250 be talking more about the convention as 115 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:22,520 it draws closer but now it's time for me 116 00:05:30,460 --> 00:05:25,310 to run downstairs without tripping over 117 00:05:32,710 --> 00:05:30,470 the cat where is he Fred he's hiding 118 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:32,720 under the cover at the moment it's time 119 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:34,610 for me to run downstairs open up the 120 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:38,410 cupboard look for that microwave popcorn 121 00:05:43,180 --> 00:05:42,110 won't what microwave popcorn now that's 122 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:43,190 something I haven't had for a little 123 00:05:48,010 --> 00:05:46,490 while hmm takes a couple of minutes to 124 00:06:12,460 --> 00:05:48,020 pop that I'll do that while I'm doing 125 00:06:16,670 --> 00:06:14,420 joining me now on the line from 126 00:06:19,310 --> 00:06:16,680 Liverpool as he does quite regularly 127 00:06:20,660 --> 00:06:19,320 these days I think it's michael marshal 128 00:06:22,820 --> 00:06:20,670 Michel I think we're gonna have to make 129 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:22,830 you almost an honorary skeptic zone 130 00:06:27,980 --> 00:06:26,610 reporter well why not i'm on pretty much 131 00:06:29,810 --> 00:06:27,990 every other podcast there is out there 132 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:29,820 what about the skeptics onto the 133 00:06:33,530 --> 00:06:32,010 irregular list too but it's always a 134 00:06:35,510 --> 00:06:33,540 pleasure to speak to you Richard thank 135 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:35,520 you why not why not indeed why not d 136 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:38,850 know the reason we've made contact with 137 00:06:46,820 --> 00:06:44,250 you this week it is to chase up follow 138 00:06:49,430 --> 00:06:46,830 up discover more about this incredible 139 00:06:50,930 --> 00:06:49,440 series of videos you've put out on the 140 00:06:53,570 --> 00:06:50,940 good thinking society at the good 141 00:06:56,900 --> 00:06:53,580 thinking society's website now this was 142 00:06:58,220 --> 00:06:56,910 an investigation into something that a 143 00:07:01,720 --> 00:06:58,230 lot of people might think is a bit 144 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:01,730 mundane and a bit old-hat palm readers 145 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:06,360 what what inspired this um well I mean 146 00:07:11,390 --> 00:07:08,580 to be honest uh it was it was a bit a 147 00:07:13,310 --> 00:07:11,400 bit of a whim really i mean this this is 148 00:07:15,230 --> 00:07:13,320 work that we've been doing since i 149 00:07:16,909 --> 00:07:15,240 started work at the good thing pretty 150 00:07:19,340 --> 00:07:16,919 much so i think it was probably run 151 00:07:20,450 --> 00:07:19,350 about April or May last year that I 152 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:20,460 actually recorded the first of these 153 00:07:24,650 --> 00:07:22,800 videos and we've been called distracted 154 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:24,660 by all the really important projects we 155 00:07:27,980 --> 00:07:26,130 had to get happy working on so these 156 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:27,990 kind of been only been on the to-do list 157 00:07:32,659 --> 00:07:29,730 for a while but um yeah I happen to be 158 00:07:35,090 --> 00:07:32,669 in Blackpool a seaside town in in the UK 159 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:35,100 and as is the case with many seaside 160 00:07:38,990 --> 00:07:37,290 towns nuclear the tradition is along the 161 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:39,000 pier front you've got loads of little 162 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:42,690 psychic booths so I figured I'm newly a 163 00:07:46,670 --> 00:07:45,030 professional full-time paid skeptic and 164 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:46,680 I should go out and investigate so I I 165 00:07:50,150 --> 00:07:48,510 had myself my little undercover camera 166 00:07:52,850 --> 00:07:50,160 and I forgot to go in and pop in and get 167 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:52,860 my palm read by one of the family along 168 00:07:56,659 --> 00:07:55,290 black bullet that the family of psychics 169 00:07:58,850 --> 00:07:56,669 have been operating in Blackpool for 170 00:08:00,860 --> 00:07:58,860 decades I mean you can look these people 171 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:00,870 up and they go way way back so they're 172 00:08:05,330 --> 00:08:03,840 pretty well established members or or 173 00:08:07,220 --> 00:08:05,340 features of the waterfront so I just 174 00:08:09,170 --> 00:08:07,230 popped in thinking I'll see what happens 175 00:08:10,159 --> 00:08:09,180 if I just just get a palm reading and I 176 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:10,169 think this is the thing for me is that 177 00:08:15,980 --> 00:08:13,730 um I'm a big believer in going to 178 00:08:17,930 --> 00:08:15,990 experience the stuff that around you so 179 00:08:19,969 --> 00:08:17,940 I figured what happens you can watch 180 00:08:21,310 --> 00:08:19,979 this par missed booth and people will be 181 00:08:23,380 --> 00:08:21,320 going in there pretty regularly 182 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:23,390 so what happens actually inside the 183 00:08:27,610 --> 00:08:25,490 booth what do you get told and just how 184 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:27,620 insightful is it and I thought maybe 185 00:08:32,110 --> 00:08:30,080 decide to go in and spend what I was 186 00:08:34,029 --> 00:08:32,120 expecting to be 10 pounds but I mean 187 00:08:36,130 --> 00:08:34,039 you've seen the first video what struck 188 00:08:38,380 --> 00:08:36,140 me within seconds of being in there is 189 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:38,390 just how much there was the hard sell in 190 00:08:43,210 --> 00:08:41,090 operation you know I said how much is a 191 00:08:45,310 --> 00:08:43,220 reading she said it's 20 pounds I said 192 00:08:47,140 --> 00:08:45,320 okay and I sat down and I said right and 193 00:08:48,940 --> 00:08:47,150 she said okay well your one hand is 20 194 00:08:53,410 --> 00:08:48,950 pounds but your two hands plus your 195 00:08:54,850 --> 00:08:53,420 future is 30 pounds I say well I I think 196 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:54,860 I've got the 20 pounds one well I think 197 00:08:57,610 --> 00:08:56,210 you should go for the 30 pounds one 198 00:08:58,960 --> 00:08:57,620 because you've not been happy in your 199 00:09:00,400 --> 00:08:58,970 life and I can tell you what's going 200 00:09:02,290 --> 00:09:00,410 wrong with your life if you fear the 30 201 00:09:04,810 --> 00:09:02,300 pounds you gotta speculate to accumulate 202 00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:04,820 and immediately into the patter so um 203 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:06,950 yeah it was uh it was pretty clear 204 00:09:12,060 --> 00:09:09,100 pretty quickly that this is a very 205 00:09:15,010 --> 00:09:12,070 experienced operator one way or another 206 00:09:18,430 --> 00:09:15,020 yes and having watched the videos now 207 00:09:21,450 --> 00:09:18,440 myself I totally agree or what no wasted 208 00:09:23,470 --> 00:09:21,460 time no mucking about as we might say 209 00:09:27,010 --> 00:09:23,480 straight into it and straight into 210 00:09:29,410 --> 00:09:27,020 getting up front from you and I imagine 211 00:09:32,590 --> 00:09:29,420 this works most of the time that extra 212 00:09:33,940 --> 00:09:32,600 10 quid or that extra 20 quid well 213 00:09:37,030 --> 00:09:33,950 that's it really good and the thing is 214 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:37,040 you know you'd imagine for 30 pounds 215 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:38,930 what's that like fifty dollars maybe 216 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:42,050 something like that it's more like a 60 217 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:43,730 australian dollars or something like 218 00:09:50,950 --> 00:09:45,920 that yeah quite a lot okay I'm terrible 219 00:09:52,540 --> 00:09:50,960 the exchange rate yes 60 books I mean 220 00:09:55,090 --> 00:09:52,550 you'd imagine you might get your half an 221 00:09:56,740 --> 00:09:55,100 hour an hour 20 minutes of reading and I 222 00:09:59,290 --> 00:09:56,750 think I got about four minutes of 223 00:10:01,240 --> 00:09:59,300 reading el cajon just shows you want the 224 00:10:04,450 --> 00:10:01,250 hourly rid that you were able to turn 225 00:10:06,430 --> 00:10:04,460 over is and I mean you've seen it I on I 226 00:10:08,140 --> 00:10:06,440 wasn't overly impressed and we see that 227 00:10:09,610 --> 00:10:08,150 the classic signs that you have with 228 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:09,620 someone who looks like they might be 229 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:11,810 cold reading you know asking a huge 230 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:13,250 amount of questions we decided to count 231 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:14,990 up just how many questions she asked and 232 00:10:19,210 --> 00:10:17,270 in the case in the space of about four 233 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:19,220 minutes of reading she has 21 questions 234 00:10:23,260 --> 00:10:21,290 which is incredible because you didn't 235 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:23,270 really offer anything else other than 236 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:24,890 the questions other than the the 237 00:10:29,530 --> 00:10:27,410 remarkable insight that somebody in my 238 00:10:32,140 --> 00:10:29,540 life over the age of 70 is going to die 239 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:32,150 within the next 18 months that's not the 240 00:10:34,930 --> 00:10:32,990 kind of thing you could just say to 241 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:34,940 every single human being 242 00:10:42,260 --> 00:10:38,610 quality true well I'm absolutely right 243 00:10:45,530 --> 00:10:42,270 and it's a something that I like to tell 244 00:10:47,570 --> 00:10:45,540 people if you're going to see a psychic 245 00:10:49,550 --> 00:10:47,580 reading or a palm reader in this case or 246 00:10:53,090 --> 00:10:49,560 a tarot card reader or whatever the case 247 00:10:54,830 --> 00:10:53,100 might be record it and then count later 248 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:54,840 on go home and count the number of 249 00:10:59,480 --> 00:10:57,090 questions you are asked by the reader 250 00:11:03,440 --> 00:10:59,490 which is exactly what you've done in 251 00:11:06,380 --> 00:11:03,450 this video and it's sadly hilarious to 252 00:11:08,270 --> 00:11:06,390 see the numbers being racked up in quick 253 00:11:11,870 --> 00:11:08,280 succession of simply the number of 254 00:11:13,490 --> 00:11:11,880 questions that she was asking I think so 255 00:11:14,930 --> 00:11:13,500 I mean I always advise people do this 256 00:11:17,330 --> 00:11:14,940 area if you go to have 1x readings 257 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:17,340 record it and I all say to people before 258 00:11:21,740 --> 00:11:19,650 you listen back to the recording write 259 00:11:23,420 --> 00:11:21,750 down what you think happened write down 260 00:11:24,710 --> 00:11:23,430 what you think you are told and what 261 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:24,720 information you were given and then 262 00:11:28,010 --> 00:11:26,280 listen to see how that information comes 263 00:11:29,570 --> 00:11:28,020 up and that's at the other kind of key 264 00:11:30,770 --> 00:11:29,580 really but yeah just seeing that the 265 00:11:32,750 --> 00:11:30,780 questions kind of racking up and there's 266 00:11:36,380 --> 00:11:32,760 the the one bit where she's fishing so 267 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:36,390 so so heavily that we put a little bell 268 00:11:39,020 --> 00:11:37,650 every time she has a question it's just 269 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:39,030 a constant ringing in the bell she says 270 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:40,890 um you know and you got a married man's 271 00:11:44,270 --> 00:11:42,090 hand you've been married once before 272 00:11:46,340 --> 00:11:44,280 haven't you no but you are living with 273 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:46,350 someone no but you have lit with someone 274 00:11:50,740 --> 00:11:48,330 no but there is someone in your life yes 275 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:50,750 it isn't there an obstacle between you 276 00:11:54,620 --> 00:11:53,130 yes if it wasn't obstacle between us 277 00:11:59,150 --> 00:11:54,630 we'd probably be living together at the 278 00:12:01,210 --> 00:11:59,160 point yeah I'm actually amazing it is it 279 00:12:04,250 --> 00:12:01,220 is it's it's quite startling to see this 280 00:12:07,850 --> 00:12:04,260 and just as a standalone piece it's 281 00:12:09,350 --> 00:12:07,860 quite insightful that the way she comes 282 00:12:12,860 --> 00:12:09,360 up with the lines in quick succession 283 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:12,870 and when I saw the first video because 284 00:12:17,810 --> 00:12:14,970 we're going to be discussing briefly or 285 00:12:19,460 --> 00:12:17,820 three but we encourage people to go to 286 00:12:22,580 --> 00:12:19,470 the good thinking society and watch them 287 00:12:24,170 --> 00:12:22,590 and that'll details up soon but it 288 00:12:26,180 --> 00:12:24,180 struck me when I was watching the very 289 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:26,190 first video of course it's sadly 290 00:12:33,890 --> 00:12:28,710 hilarious or the questions that she asks 291 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:33,900 but just the the the way she find her 292 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:37,710 lines to you I thought it myself how 293 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:40,290 many times has she said these lines 294 00:12:44,870 --> 00:12:42,210 before because they were almost like a 295 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:44,880 rhythm weren't they they were they were 296 00:12:48,079 --> 00:12:46,830 very rhythmic I mean she wasn't really 297 00:12:50,059 --> 00:12:48,089 kind of looking up 298 00:12:52,340 --> 00:12:50,069 awful lot she was just rolling out the 299 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:52,350 same old lines of value I you have been 300 00:12:55,009 --> 00:12:53,610 through boy what you wouldn't want to go 301 00:12:56,989 --> 00:12:55,019 through again but it's a long linen with 302 00:12:59,269 --> 00:12:56,999 attorney you know at turning now you 303 00:13:00,799 --> 00:12:59,279 know it was very much kind of or it felt 304 00:13:02,059 --> 00:13:00,809 to me at the time and it felt to Simon 305 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:02,069 when I assured him that it seemed a 306 00:13:04,730 --> 00:13:03,120 little bit like she might have been 307 00:13:07,369 --> 00:13:04,740 reciting this from memory rather than 308 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:07,379 reading it on the spot and we decided 309 00:13:10,910 --> 00:13:09,689 the best thing to do as any good skeptic 310 00:13:12,590 --> 00:13:10,920 would do you know we can't just say oh 311 00:13:14,239 --> 00:13:12,600 she was definitely reciting from a 312 00:13:15,579 --> 00:13:14,249 script we got to go back and gather 313 00:13:18,259 --> 00:13:15,589 evidence so we decided to go back 314 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:18,269 another time and bring four of my 315 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:19,529 friends from the merge start skeptic 316 00:13:24,019 --> 00:13:22,680 society along and see what advice and 317 00:13:26,299 --> 00:13:24,029 what reading she would give to them so 318 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:26,309 we actually been one of our one of the 319 00:13:30,139 --> 00:13:27,930 MSS board members and a member of 320 00:13:32,749 --> 00:13:30,149 skeptic to the K phenomenal brilliant 321 00:13:34,579 --> 00:13:32,759 brilliant person Alice howarth she has 322 00:13:36,379 --> 00:13:34,589 health conditions she has high 323 00:13:37,790 --> 00:13:36,389 permeability syndrome which is a genetic 324 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:37,800 disorder it's not going to go away it's 325 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:39,930 incredibly painful but to look at her 326 00:13:42,889 --> 00:13:41,610 you can't see it's an invisible 327 00:13:44,420 --> 00:13:42,899 disability you know there's no physical 328 00:13:47,239 --> 00:13:44,430 symptoms except when she's you know 329 00:13:50,210 --> 00:13:47,249 bandaged up because she's dislocated 330 00:13:52,069 --> 00:13:50,220 something so he sent Allison and what we 331 00:13:53,210 --> 00:13:52,079 said to Alice was her story was just 332 00:13:54,949 --> 00:13:53,220 talk about the symptoms that you 333 00:13:56,660 --> 00:13:54,959 actually have and how they make you feel 334 00:13:58,730 --> 00:13:56,670 and how frustrating they are and how 335 00:14:00,350 --> 00:13:58,740 scary it can be the only thing but 336 00:14:01,429 --> 00:14:00,360 you're going to lie about is you're 337 00:14:03,619 --> 00:14:01,439 going to pretend you haven't got a 338 00:14:05,150 --> 00:14:03,629 diagnosis so if you had a diagnosis you 339 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:05,160 know a year ago we'll pretend that 340 00:14:08,509 --> 00:14:07,050 you're going in the day before you got 341 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:08,519 that diagnosis so it's all very very 342 00:14:11,809 --> 00:14:10,410 true for how you were very very true for 343 00:14:14,179 --> 00:14:11,819 how lots of other people in your 344 00:14:15,619 --> 00:14:14,189 situation could be if they got the same 345 00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:15,629 symptoms but they haven't been told what 346 00:14:18,739 --> 00:14:17,279 it is yet and so she went in there 347 00:14:20,540 --> 00:14:18,749 talking about how because people got to 348 00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:20,550 see psychics not just when it's a bit of 349 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:22,079 fun you know and it some people go on 350 00:14:24,889 --> 00:14:23,490 it's a bit of fun but others will go 351 00:14:26,509 --> 00:14:24,899 when there's something going on in their 352 00:14:29,650 --> 00:14:26,519 life that they're worried about and it 353 00:14:31,929 --> 00:14:29,660 tends to be things like job insecurity 354 00:14:33,769 --> 00:14:31,939 insecurity in your relationships 355 00:14:36,590 --> 00:14:33,779 financial problems health problems 356 00:14:38,809 --> 00:14:36,600 things like that it struck us that if 357 00:14:40,340 --> 00:14:38,819 people do go and see this sign click and 358 00:14:41,540 --> 00:14:40,350 get the same kind of treatment when 359 00:14:43,249 --> 00:14:41,550 they're talking about something serious 360 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:43,259 then they could end up in a position 361 00:14:46,189 --> 00:14:44,970 that was really quite damaging to then 362 00:14:48,619 --> 00:14:46,199 there could be easily misled or 363 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:48,629 convinced to do something that's not an 364 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:50,370 heir best interest just because they 365 00:14:54,410 --> 00:14:52,529 think this this lady has a psychic 366 00:14:57,689 --> 00:14:54,420 ability that we would disagree that she 367 00:15:01,919 --> 00:14:57,699 has absolutely and here's somebody with 368 00:15:04,979 --> 00:15:01,929 doing her shtick we might say uh in in 369 00:15:07,619 --> 00:15:04,989 in this place possibly giving somebody 370 00:15:10,319 --> 00:15:07,629 erroneous health advice which is very 371 00:15:11,729 --> 00:15:10,329 serious matter well that's exactly it 372 00:15:13,379 --> 00:15:11,739 and you'll see from the videos the 373 00:15:15,689 --> 00:15:13,389 things that she says to Alice are pretty 374 00:15:18,749 --> 00:15:15,699 terrible really because on the one hand 375 00:15:20,699 --> 00:15:18,759 she's saying those she's very dismissive 376 00:15:22,289 --> 00:15:20,709 of the idea of depression that all of 377 00:15:23,699 --> 00:15:22,299 your problems well it's your very 378 00:15:24,689 --> 00:15:23,709 depressed at the moment and that's the 379 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:24,699 reason why you're having all these 380 00:15:27,479 --> 00:15:25,809 things but there's nothing wrong with 381 00:15:29,159 --> 00:15:27,489 you other than depression there's 382 00:15:31,049 --> 00:15:29,169 nothing wrong with your all just deep 383 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:31,059 depression you'll be right as rain by 384 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:32,169 the end of the year because there's 385 00:15:35,939 --> 00:15:33,910 nothing wrong with it all just a bit of 386 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:35,949 depression so well actually depression 387 00:15:39,809 --> 00:15:37,480 is a serious thing a very serious thing 388 00:15:41,549 --> 00:15:39,819 that you shouldn't take lightly but also 389 00:15:42,539 --> 00:15:41,559 there is something wrong with Alice we 390 00:15:44,129 --> 00:15:42,549 know there's something wrong with Alice 391 00:15:45,749 --> 00:15:44,139 she has a genetic disorder that isn't 392 00:15:48,749 --> 00:15:45,759 just gonna go where she can't wish it 393 00:15:52,139 --> 00:15:48,759 better and to tell people that it's your 394 00:15:54,809 --> 00:15:52,149 attitude and your your negative outlook 395 00:15:57,659 --> 00:15:54,819 on life that's keeping you in constant 396 00:15:59,189 --> 00:15:57,669 pain and you can think yourself better I 397 00:16:00,479 --> 00:15:59,199 mean even if the person thinks that 398 00:16:02,039 --> 00:16:00,489 they're being comforting to say you can 399 00:16:03,419 --> 00:16:02,049 think yourself better and look on the 400 00:16:05,309 --> 00:16:03,429 bright side and it everything is going 401 00:16:07,109 --> 00:16:05,319 to get better and people I think that 402 00:16:08,909 --> 00:16:07,119 that's being comforting but when there's 403 00:16:10,289 --> 00:16:08,919 an underlying cause to it you're not 404 00:16:11,729 --> 00:16:10,299 going to get better by changing your 405 00:16:13,019 --> 00:16:11,739 outlook to a more positive one and the 406 00:16:15,869 --> 00:16:13,029 end of that you're going to feel even 407 00:16:17,249 --> 00:16:15,879 more frustrated depressed you're going 408 00:16:18,599 --> 00:16:17,259 to even potentially blame yourself 409 00:16:20,729 --> 00:16:18,609 because I was told but i can think 410 00:16:22,619 --> 00:16:20,739 myself out of this so i clearly i must 411 00:16:24,809 --> 00:16:22,629 be thinking hard enough i must be trying 412 00:16:26,939 --> 00:16:24,819 hard enough and you can be in a position 413 00:16:29,999 --> 00:16:26,949 where you were you can get into quite a 414 00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:30,009 mire and this is this is for someone you 415 00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:31,839 know where Alice fortunately has a 416 00:16:34,619 --> 00:16:33,519 diagnosis and knows what's wrong with 417 00:16:35,849 --> 00:16:34,629 her and knows what you need to do to 418 00:16:38,099 --> 00:16:35,859 kind of manage her pay and things like 419 00:16:39,329 --> 00:16:38,109 that if you had those symptoms or you 420 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:39,339 had other symptoms and you didn't know 421 00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:41,169 what was wrong with you you might take 422 00:16:45,479 --> 00:16:43,179 this psychics word and go away and you 423 00:16:46,889 --> 00:16:45,489 know not worry about anything not going 424 00:16:48,539 --> 00:16:46,899 to see a doctor and there could be 425 00:16:49,889 --> 00:16:48,549 something seriously wrong with you I 426 00:16:51,299 --> 00:16:49,899 mean there was analysis case but she 427 00:16:52,829 --> 00:16:51,309 knows what that was if you didn't have a 428 00:16:54,299 --> 00:16:52,839 diagnosis it could be absolutely 429 00:16:56,729 --> 00:16:54,309 anything that's causing to feel that way 430 00:16:59,429 --> 00:16:56,739 and you just been primed to go off and 431 00:17:01,799 --> 00:16:59,439 ignore any medical help and not seek any 432 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:01,809 medical help and necessarily and just 433 00:17:05,340 --> 00:17:02,889 trying it on with things and that could 434 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:05,350 be actually really dangerous yeah I 435 00:17:09,689 --> 00:17:07,510 couldn't agree more and we see this not 436 00:17:11,850 --> 00:17:09,699 only with so-called psychics and palm 437 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:11,860 readers and tarot card readers and their 438 00:17:18,539 --> 00:17:15,879 ilk but this also really goes to the 439 00:17:21,659 --> 00:17:18,549 heart of a lot of what alt meds about in 440 00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:21,669 the quacks out and you know we think 441 00:17:25,799 --> 00:17:23,260 about people who do applied kinesiology 442 00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:25,809 muscle testing to discover if someone's 443 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:27,189 got something wrong with their organs 444 00:17:32,159 --> 00:17:30,129 and so awful so it's a very it's a very 445 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:32,169 interesting can of worms this whole this 446 00:17:37,860 --> 00:17:34,840 whole force or erroneous health advice 447 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:37,870 or giving somebody solace when they 448 00:17:42,210 --> 00:17:39,970 actually should be just getting to a 449 00:17:43,860 --> 00:17:42,220 doctor and things like this is it's a 450 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:43,870 very serious matter didn't do the part 451 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:45,129 of part two of course I mean it's not 452 00:17:48,090 --> 00:17:46,330 just health advice because that's what 453 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:48,100 we decided we will / send Alice him with 454 00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:49,690 his actual problem but we also sent in 455 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:52,240 another MSS board member laurie phillips 456 00:17:57,299 --> 00:17:55,090 and we told him you just talked about 457 00:17:58,860 --> 00:17:57,309 how you have we invented a gambling 458 00:18:00,960 --> 00:17:58,870 problem a financial problem to show it's 459 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:00,970 not just health advice that you get you 460 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:02,289 think you can get erroneous advice for 461 00:18:05,129 --> 00:18:03,970 so he went in there to say that he 462 00:18:07,230 --> 00:18:05,139 didn't have much money he was worried 463 00:18:09,629 --> 00:18:07,240 about the future now in that situation 464 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,639 where he said I'm down to my last money 465 00:18:13,619 --> 00:18:11,440 I've had to borrow money I'm I'm 466 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:13,629 struggling at the moment you'd imagine 467 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:16,210 anybody responsible would say gone you 468 00:18:19,529 --> 00:18:18,010 know see a someone who can actually help 469 00:18:20,909 --> 00:18:19,539 they would they want to try and take 470 00:18:22,919 --> 00:18:20,919 money off you but instead this psychic 471 00:18:24,659 --> 00:18:22,929 didn't even sell in the 20-pound reading 472 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:24,669 of the 30 pound reading she pushed him 473 00:18:29,490 --> 00:18:26,769 up to the 50-pound reading knowing that 474 00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:29,500 he has no money at all she charged him 475 00:18:33,869 --> 00:18:32,080 100 hundred dollars so that he could 476 00:18:37,289 --> 00:18:33,879 have a full reading with a crystal ball 477 00:18:39,060 --> 00:18:37,299 and the reading he got was astonishingly 478 00:18:40,649 --> 00:18:39,070 similar to the one that I paid 30 pounds 479 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:40,659 for so I think he was there he was taken 480 00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:42,370 but for an extra 20 pounds for what 481 00:18:47,250 --> 00:18:43,679 seemed to be pretty much the same thing 482 00:18:49,409 --> 00:18:47,260 except towards the end when he says his 483 00:18:51,060 --> 00:18:49,419 my look going to change are things going 484 00:18:52,169 --> 00:18:51,070 to get better because it just all he 485 00:18:53,629 --> 00:18:52,179 looks gonna get better everything's 486 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:53,639 gonna get better and he says well i 487 00:18:57,779 --> 00:18:56,110 gamble a lot up in entering tournaments 488 00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:57,789 but should i pay to enter this big poker 489 00:19:00,600 --> 00:18:58,960 tournament so I can win a lot of money 490 00:19:01,889 --> 00:19:00,610 and she said how much money of you won 491 00:19:03,659 --> 00:19:01,899 in the past he said a thousand pounds 492 00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:03,669 she said oh no you'll win a lot more 493 00:19:06,990 --> 00:19:05,740 than that don't change anything don't do 494 00:19:08,250 --> 00:19:07,000 anything different you need to carry on 495 00:19:10,259 --> 00:19:08,260 as you Anya win a lot more than a 496 00:19:11,940 --> 00:19:10,269 thousand pounds now if he really had the 497 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:11,950 gambling problems that he's very clearly 498 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:13,750 presenting with that is the worst 499 00:19:17,159 --> 00:19:15,129 possible advice because you're telling 500 00:19:19,109 --> 00:19:17,169 somebody who's in a who's having to 501 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:19,119 borrow money to pay gambling debts that 502 00:19:21,420 --> 00:19:19,810 what you're 503 00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:21,430 doing is the right thing carry on and 504 00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:22,750 you'll win all that money back you'll 505 00:19:25,620 --> 00:19:24,310 win a lot more you're on the right track 506 00:19:27,390 --> 00:19:25,630 and that's the kind of thing that leads 507 00:19:30,450 --> 00:19:27,400 people into a massive massive hole as 508 00:19:32,540 --> 00:19:30,460 well yeah it really does I they 509 00:19:34,890 --> 00:19:32,550 sometimes they don't need much of a push 510 00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:34,900 unfortunately with their problem but if 511 00:19:39,570 --> 00:19:36,840 they have somebody who they perceive as 512 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:39,580 having mystical inside get there giving 513 00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:41,440 them this advice then they're quite 514 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:44,230 likely to do it I would fear so it 515 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:45,970 really leads us to the third video and I 516 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:48,790 don't want to give too much away because 517 00:19:53,070 --> 00:19:50,650 I think it's very important that our 518 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:53,080 listeners go to your website go to the 519 00:19:57,300 --> 00:19:54,970 good thinking website and look at the 520 00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:57,310 third video for themselves we can allude 521 00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,640 to what happens if I say that towards 522 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:02,320 the beginning of our discussion we were 523 00:20:07,490 --> 00:20:04,450 talking about how we thought that this 524 00:20:10,530 --> 00:20:07,500 particular palm reader was more or less 525 00:20:14,730 --> 00:20:10,540 reciting lines well the third video 526 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:14,740 brings it all home beautifully it does 527 00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:16,090 it does yeah it was a nice opportunity 528 00:20:20,550 --> 00:20:17,980 for us to take text stock of everything 529 00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:20,560 we found amongst the the five readings 530 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:22,030 we had in total we had five readings in 531 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:23,410 total one of them didn't quite come off 532 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:24,910 so there's four that we include the 533 00:20:28,860 --> 00:20:27,010 video but term yeah once you take a step 534 00:20:30,570 --> 00:20:28,870 back and really assess the lie of the 535 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:30,580 land you see some interesting patterns 536 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:32,950 going on is it fair to say it's fair to 537 00:20:38,910 --> 00:20:36,730 say now listeners we'd certainly discuss 538 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:38,920 a lot of websites and links and things 539 00:20:42,750 --> 00:20:40,570 on the skeptic zone and i'll be linking 540 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:42,760 to the good thinking society in the show 541 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:46,330 notes but uh this this is a series of 542 00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:48,970 videos that is well worth your time and 543 00:20:54,510 --> 00:20:50,830 by the time you get to watch number 544 00:20:56,550 --> 00:20:54,520 three you'll be probably gobsmacked as 545 00:20:59,130 --> 00:20:56,560 gobsmacked as i was in a sad sort of way 546 00:21:01,530 --> 00:20:59,140 not too surprised but it the sea but 547 00:21:04,110 --> 00:21:01,540 this video has to offer it's quite 548 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:04,120 something Michael where can people go to 549 00:21:09,780 --> 00:21:06,970 look at these videos so if you've got a 550 00:21:11,820 --> 00:21:09,790 good thinking society org they're all on 551 00:21:13,410 --> 00:21:11,830 there and they're all the videos up on 552 00:21:15,210 --> 00:21:13,420 youtube so if you were to go into 553 00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,220 youtube and look for a good thinking 554 00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:17,440 investigates palmistry and that you'll 555 00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:18,820 see there's three paths to it there so 556 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:20,680 you can see them all there but yeah good 557 00:21:25,140 --> 00:21:21,970 thing he signed it all because where you 558 00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:25,150 can go to check out these videos all you 559 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:26,230 the work that we've been doing that I 560 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:27,490 keep coming on the show to talk about 561 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:29,110 its how you can support us if you want 562 00:21:32,509 --> 00:21:31,450 to make a small monthly donation and 563 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,519 yeah if you 564 00:21:36,019 --> 00:21:34,320 find stuff on there that you think is 565 00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:36,029 worth shouting about them that we 566 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:38,190 appreciate everywhere that we can spread 567 00:21:41,719 --> 00:21:39,570 some of the work we've been doing the 568 00:21:42,769 --> 00:21:41,729 message that we have there and a bit of 569 00:21:45,349 --> 00:21:42,779 awareness of what we're doing I think 570 00:21:46,999 --> 00:21:45,359 good thinking society org that's the 571 00:21:48,469 --> 00:21:47,009 place I think I'd head to to watch the 572 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:48,479 videos because that they're they're 573 00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:52,769 quite easily for you to to view and as I 574 00:21:57,139 --> 00:21:55,080 say listeners I've seen many videos over 575 00:21:59,479 --> 00:21:57,149 my time many are skeptical videos 576 00:22:02,690 --> 00:21:59,489 investigations but part 3 of this series 577 00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:02,700 I think almost takes the cake I think 578 00:22:06,859 --> 00:22:04,499 will be kind of an instant classic 579 00:22:09,589 --> 00:22:06,869 Michael Marshall and well well done 580 00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:09,599 indeed well done thank you so much 581 00:22:13,849 --> 00:22:11,159 richer thank you I appreciate that and 582 00:22:16,249 --> 00:22:13,859 I'm sure we'll be catching up with you 583 00:22:18,919 --> 00:22:16,259 soon the way you are the good thinking 584 00:22:20,629 --> 00:22:18,929 society is generating good content for 585 00:22:22,999 --> 00:22:20,639 the rest of the world you're certainly 586 00:22:24,649 --> 00:22:23,009 an example for us to follow and I look 587 00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:24,659 forward to the very next time you're on 588 00:22:29,989 --> 00:22:26,820 the show which at this rate might be in 589 00:22:32,259 --> 00:22:29,999 next week who know yes I'll speak to 590 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:32,269 next week Richard thank you Michael 591 00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:47,810 the cosmos is amazing world famous 592 00:22:53,770 --> 00:22:51,120 astrophysicist dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson 593 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:53,780 is touring Australia this August 594 00:22:58,580 --> 00:22:56,490 inspirational smart and funny he'll take 595 00:23:00,890 --> 00:22:58,590 you on his personal tour of the universe 596 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:00,900 there are still more questions to be 597 00:23:06,860 --> 00:23:04,170 explored Melbourne Brisbane sydney and 598 00:23:08,650 --> 00:23:06,870 canberra mark the date in your cosmic 599 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:08,660 calendar for this once-in-a-lifetime 600 00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:11,490 experience tickets on sale now at 601 00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:19,350 thinking got all day you welcome to a 602 00:23:24,410 --> 00:23:21,720 week in science from RI oz bringing you 603 00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:24,420 the signs you need to know isaac asimov 604 00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:26,460 jules verne and hg wells are some of the 605 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,860 classic names of science fiction so 606 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:30,720 let's take a look at how they thought 607 00:23:37,130 --> 00:23:34,530 the future was going to turn out in 1865 608 00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:37,140 Jules Verne seemingly predicted solar 609 00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,900 sails massive sales that could propel a 610 00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:42,480 spacecraft using radiation from the Sun 611 00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:45,480 in 1864 the scientific community knew 612 00:23:50,540 --> 00:23:47,790 that light from the Sun carried momentum 613 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:50,550 and exerted forces on objects in his 614 00:23:55,220 --> 00:23:53,010 book from the earth to the moon Jules 615 00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:55,230 extrapolated that knowledge to suggest 616 00:24:01,520 --> 00:23:57,240 that light could be used to push a 617 00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:01,530 spacecraft in 2010 the japanese space 618 00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,700 agency deployed and used a solar sail he 619 00:24:10,790 --> 00:24:07,440 also seemingly predicted video 620 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,800 conferencing FaceTime and Skype in his 621 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:12,720 book in the year two thousand eight 622 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:14,730 hundred and eighty nine he predicted 623 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:17,010 that telephones would have moving images 624 00:24:24,890 --> 00:24:19,410 and he called this device the fano 625 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:24,900 telephone in 1964 Isaac Asimov correctly 626 00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:28,530 predicted that by 2014 only robotic 627 00:24:32,420 --> 00:24:29,940 missions to Mars will have been 628 00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:32,430 accomplished but that a human mission 629 00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:34,980 would be in the planning stages hello 630 00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:38,630 Mars one azimoff also predicted that by 631 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,000 2014 robots would exist that would be 632 00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:44,640 neither common all very good he also 633 00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,980 suggested that machines would have taken 634 00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,200 over many routine human 635 00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:51,840 jobs hg wells best known for his work 636 00:24:58,220 --> 00:24:55,070 War of the Worlds correctly predicted in 637 00:25:00,799 --> 00:24:58,230 1913 the atomic bomb which could 638 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:00,809 decimate cities it would cause mushroom 639 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:03,330 clouds and result in radioactive fallout 640 00:25:08,509 --> 00:25:06,450 all of this 30 years before the 641 00:25:10,639 --> 00:25:08,519 Manhattan Project they didn't get 642 00:25:12,860 --> 00:25:10,649 everything right however and here are 643 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:12,870 four scientific predictions that proved 644 00:25:20,769 --> 00:25:17,010 a little wide of the mark Asimov 645 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:20,779 predicted in 1964 that by 2014 646 00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,490 experimental nuclear fusion power plants 647 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:26,159 would be in existence Asimov also 648 00:25:30,139 --> 00:25:27,330 suggested that there would be a 649 00:25:33,379 --> 00:25:30,149 permanent moon colony and possibly deep 650 00:25:35,389 --> 00:25:33,389 sea underwater colonies as well despite 651 00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:35,399 Jules Verne surprisingly accurate 652 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:37,740 descriptions of the Apollo moon landings 653 00:25:42,889 --> 00:25:40,049 he did also suggest that capsule would 654 00:25:45,310 --> 00:25:42,899 be fired from a huge gun which if built 655 00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,320 in reality would cause an unsurvivable 656 00:25:50,779 --> 00:25:48,720 acceleration of 1000 g and arthur c 657 00:25:53,060 --> 00:25:50,789 clarke predicted that with the rise of 658 00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:53,070 Technology no one would travel to work 659 00:25:57,470 --> 00:25:54,950 but they would travel for pleasure 660 00:26:00,139 --> 00:25:57,480 unfortunately that hasn't panned out 661 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:00,149 that's it from this a week in science 662 00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:02,130 for more information on scientific 663 00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:04,679 predictions from science fiction go to 664 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:08,840 the rirs website RI au s org dot a you 665 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:11,580 follow us on twitter at our eyes and 666 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:14,850 like us on facebook i'm paul willis more 667 00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:18,690 catchy here next week on maynard com 668 00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:20,760 dodo you because we really like to get 669 00:26:25,399 --> 00:26:22,380 people excited i'm going to read from 670 00:26:29,419 --> 00:26:25,409 the Goods and Services Tax Act 1999 671 00:26:31,159 --> 00:26:29,429 section 165 dash 55 he's like this all 672 00:26:40,530 --> 00:26:31,169 the time people it's a non-stop party 673 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:42,730 that didn't really represent it but it 674 00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:44,810 certainly represented something Tim well 675 00:27:09,460 --> 00:26:48,950 it was confusing no men men men men men 676 00:27:12,580 --> 00:27:09,470 men on my not condone are you hey you if 677 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:12,590 I could talk to the animals yes well if 678 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:14,210 I could talk to the animals what would 679 00:27:18,910 --> 00:27:16,850 they say to me good question I know what 680 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:18,920 my cat would say you would say where's 681 00:27:26,380 --> 00:27:23,890 my food in 2009 the nonsense podcast 682 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:26,390 went to investigate an animal 683 00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:29,770 communicator pet psychic somebody who 684 00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:32,020 claims that they have a special 685 00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:34,400 communication ability with animals of 686 00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:36,710 all sizes and all creatures great and 687 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:38,780 small and Jason from the nonsense 688 00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:40,250 podcast was kind enough to invite 689 00:27:45,490 --> 00:27:43,190 members of the skeptic zone along or the 690 00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:45,500 fun after it was all over we repaired to 691 00:27:55,289 --> 00:27:47,030 a Chinese restaurant and that's where we 692 00:28:00,580 --> 00:27:58,930 half are ordered to two dishes honey 693 00:28:02,980 --> 00:28:00,590 chicken and sizzling beef sounds with 694 00:28:10,419 --> 00:28:02,990 bow and vegetables oh yeah it sounds 695 00:28:11,529 --> 00:28:10,429 great okay what's up well I'd like to 696 00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,539 welcome everyone here to one of our 697 00:28:16,150 --> 00:28:14,000 first official nonsense investigations a 698 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,160 group of us got together tonight to go 699 00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:18,320 and visit a telepathic communicator with 700 00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:21,260 animals I should say well non-human 701 00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:25,280 animals and yeah we went along being 702 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:27,260 rather skeptical wanting to see if this 703 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:28,730 woman could really do what she claimed 704 00:28:33,370 --> 00:28:30,890 which was actually telepathically 705 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:33,380 communicating with animals on the panel 706 00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:38,110 tonight we have dr. dr. rachy hi Jason 707 00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,400 we have the one and only Richard 708 00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,559 Saunders hello and where's my beef and 709 00:28:49,810 --> 00:28:44,960 we have James or otherwise known as 710 00:28:51,549 --> 00:28:49,820 bastard sheep g'day g'day so Allah we've 711 00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:51,559 just endured an hour and a half I guess 712 00:28:59,020 --> 00:28:57,080 of mind mashing drivel what was 713 00:29:01,299 --> 00:28:59,030 everyone's thoughts of our telepathic 714 00:29:04,450 --> 00:29:01,309 woman what do you think she really has 715 00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:04,460 to say for herself I think you should 716 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:05,600 tell your listeners where we are 717 00:29:13,149 --> 00:29:08,570 actually there might be curious yes 718 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:13,159 where you have just visited haha that's 719 00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:15,650 it without believing our very highly 720 00:29:19,779 --> 00:29:18,020 vegan friends we've popped into one of 721 00:29:22,930 --> 00:29:19,789 the local Chinese restaurants the 722 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:22,940 Chongqing Chinese restaurant you no 723 00:29:31,380 --> 00:29:26,690 doubt in downtown Chinatown so we're now 724 00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,390 going to be consuming amounts of meat 725 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:33,679 I'm getting a message from the chicken 726 00:29:36,909 --> 00:29:35,450 Maurice is it is someone getting a 727 00:29:38,380 --> 00:29:36,919 message from the from the cows I'm 728 00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:38,390 getting a message from the chicken are 729 00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:39,830 you i think the cow ran away with the 730 00:29:44,830 --> 00:29:42,559 chicken I think that's what than she can 731 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:44,840 stay in Sao Paulo we're getting back to 732 00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:48,049 it yes I'm an hour and a half of a woman 733 00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:49,820 basically telling us of how good she is 734 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:52,100 it telepathically communicating with 735 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:55,010 cows especially French cows for some 736 00:30:00,369 --> 00:29:56,809 reason 737 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:00,379 Canadian cows and her dog dog called 738 00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:04,850 Wayne it's deaf and blind so that's 739 00:30:09,129 --> 00:30:06,110 probably anywhere she can communicate 740 00:30:11,049 --> 00:30:09,139 with you makes big day I i think it all 741 00:30:12,879 --> 00:30:11,059 agree with me she sincerely believes she 742 00:30:14,830 --> 00:30:12,889 can communicate with animals she wasn't 743 00:30:17,499 --> 00:30:14,840 some scammers she really does think she 744 00:30:18,999 --> 00:30:17,509 could talk to the animals and then we 745 00:30:21,879 --> 00:30:19,009 got into a conversation about how we 746 00:30:24,430 --> 00:30:21,889 could possibly test it then as I 747 00:30:27,249 --> 00:30:24,440 actually predicted because this sort of 748 00:30:30,239 --> 00:30:27,259 thing happens from time to time you try 749 00:30:32,499 --> 00:30:30,249 to put to them the simplest possible 750 00:30:34,899 --> 00:30:32,509 test for them to demonstrate their 751 00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,909 telepathic commune communication with 752 00:30:39,850 --> 00:30:37,279 animals and that's completely beyond 753 00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:39,860 them to do a very simple test I just 754 00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:41,149 backtrack a little bit though Richard 755 00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:43,369 that room was full of the most stupid 756 00:30:47,710 --> 00:30:45,470 I've experienced in quite some time I 757 00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:47,720 mean it was okay maybe that's a little 758 00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:50,240 bit unfair it was a mismatch of a bunch 759 00:30:55,149 --> 00:30:51,830 of people that none of them really 760 00:30:57,460 --> 00:30:55,159 seemed to fit and there was a young girl 761 00:31:00,039 --> 00:30:57,470 he was very precocious and very 762 00:31:01,529 --> 00:31:00,049 excitable he spoke with every second 763 00:31:04,810 --> 00:31:01,539 word was um because she couldn't really 764 00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:04,820 compose a sentence ray eloquently there 765 00:31:12,249 --> 00:31:08,720 was a very unusual-looking math math sky 766 00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:12,259 who when you did bring up some questions 767 00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:14,600 about the science the potential to test 768 00:31:18,879 --> 00:31:15,830 and he did side with you a little bit 769 00:31:22,029 --> 00:31:18,889 and then there was a journalist which I 770 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:22,039 say when dumb loosely loosely a 771 00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:25,129 journalist who I don't really know what 772 00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:27,860 he did but he's writing books about cows 773 00:31:32,889 --> 00:31:30,769 and milk or something and the big scam I 774 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:32,899 don't know take notes the whole time and 775 00:31:40,269 --> 00:31:34,730 had a look over at them entirely 776 00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:40,279 squiggles obviously he does a lot of 777 00:31:44,049 --> 00:31:42,350 auto handwriting from the animals to it 778 00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:44,059 was telepathic messages obviously coming 779 00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,580 through mr. he's just relaying them as 780 00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:48,559 the medium yeah nice little patterns 781 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:49,720 there and 782 00:31:53,780 --> 00:31:51,550 all symbols things that you'd expect 783 00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:53,790 maybe in that stick tablet or something 784 00:32:00,720 --> 00:31:56,590 so he was getting messages from it maybe 785 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,730 when the dog could understand maybe the 786 00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:02,320 best thing about it was when he was very 787 00:32:08,790 --> 00:32:05,500 sweet but this the story is that the 788 00:32:11,670 --> 00:32:08,800 telepathic woman communicated told were 789 00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:11,680 really just anecdotes about how she you 790 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:13,990 know came across a cow that appeared to 791 00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:16,210 be a little bit stricken and so she 792 00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:17,950 imagined that the Cal told her it had 793 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:20,830 lost its calf and it was very upset not 794 00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:22,930 only because it had lost its child but 795 00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:25,420 because he knew the farmer was upset but 796 00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,520 it lost its car how was concerned for 797 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:29,200 the farmer yes that was the major 798 00:32:34,890 --> 00:32:31,930 concern of this cow was for the farmer 799 00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:34,900 not for itself and then when you Jason 800 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:36,400 posed a question to her at the end about 801 00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:38,770 do cows understand this complicated 802 00:32:44,610 --> 00:32:41,230 human relationship involving marketing 803 00:32:48,150 --> 00:32:44,620 and business she said that's ridiculous 804 00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:48,160 no but she'd have already troubled us 20 805 00:32:51,330 --> 00:32:49,780 minutes earlier that this cow did 806 00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:51,340 understand the concept of business 807 00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:52,990 because it was that set for the thumb 808 00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:54,580 that's right she did she blatantly told 809 00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,560 us that the animal was worth felt sorry 810 00:32:59,280 --> 00:32:58,000 for the farmer because this was a 811 00:33:00,750 --> 00:32:59,290 detriment to his business so that's 812 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:00,760 obviously a very complex understanding 813 00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:02,650 all these animals she was talking about 814 00:33:08,970 --> 00:33:05,590 have a level of wisdom that we can't 815 00:33:10,890 --> 00:33:08,980 access or no and they also know exactly 816 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:10,900 what herb they need to fix her sore leg 817 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:12,400 and things like that that's right her 818 00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:15,370 dog I actually told her what herb was 819 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:17,020 required to fix the leg that wasn't that 820 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,610 was remarkable the other thing I found 821 00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:20,080 interesting where she told an anecdote 822 00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:21,670 about how she went to the beach with her 823 00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:24,460 dog and the dog is old and arthritic and 824 00:33:28,860 --> 00:33:27,100 blind and deaf so he crept under someone 825 00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:28,870 else's sunshade news it was apparently 826 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:32,500 40 degrees and then she told the story 827 00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:33,970 of how when she came out of the water 828 00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:37,720 the owner of the sunshade approached the 829 00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:39,550 dog and said look we have to pack up the 830 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:42,190 shade now we have to go as she cited 831 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:45,250 this as an in an incredible case of the 832 00:33:49,620 --> 00:33:47,890 human understanding the dog and people 833 00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:49,630 address her dog as if it's an individual 834 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,180 and to me there's nothing unusual about 835 00:33:57,740 --> 00:33:54,960 that I told my cats or fattoria I 836 00:33:59,930 --> 00:33:57,750 too domesticated animals as if they're 837 00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,940 human this there's nothing special about 838 00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:01,679 that mushy what are you going to do go 839 00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:04,380 up to a dog and say woof woof woof yeah 840 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:06,360 story I've heard countless times for 841 00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,770 people who get a dog for the first time 842 00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:09,720 is when they take out walking one things 843 00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:11,700 they love is so many people who would 844 00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:13,139 normally walk past me if I didn't have a 845 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:14,790 pet all of a sudden everybody comes up 846 00:34:18,020 --> 00:34:16,169 approaches and starts talking to them 847 00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:18,030 and the dog it's just part of what 848 00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:19,440 happens to an animal when you've got 849 00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:21,000 nany people to come up approach you 850 00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:23,099 start talking that's why we all like to 851 00:34:26,659 --> 00:34:25,260 humanize our pets don't we didn't feel 852 00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,669 like they are one of the family not just 853 00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,520 a an animal in the within the family 854 00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:31,280 that they are part of the family but 855 00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:34,820 yeah how can you explain this skeptics 856 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:37,440 she also explained to us that she got a 857 00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:41,790 message from a cow or was it okay there 858 00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,780 are a couple of stories let me first 859 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:44,399 start with the pink let me start with 860 00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:45,690 the pig one there was a lot of cough 861 00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:47,700 stuff from Cal stuff but she hadn't 862 00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:49,139 experienced when she was doing some work 863 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:53,280 for Peter and she was rescuing a pig and 864 00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:55,649 as the peak was apparently dying she was 865 00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:57,300 lying next to it in the van and it told 866 00:35:01,520 --> 00:34:59,700 her to go to some certain town in 867 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:01,530 Australia where there was a piggery that 868 00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:03,780 needed her assistance and she's never 869 00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:05,940 heard of this town but she processed 870 00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:07,560 this information and brought it into a 871 00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:10,020 conscious thought then when she got home 872 00:35:14,839 --> 00:35:13,140 she looked up his town and it was a town 873 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:14,849 and there was one of the worst piggeries 874 00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:18,510 in the country and oh my god so how do 875 00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:21,420 you explain that proof-positive I give 876 00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:23,380 up 877 00:35:27,809 --> 00:35:26,230 yes she had some some pretty extreme 878 00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:27,819 there was a lot of underlying we're 879 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:31,390 talking about lying vegan thought some 880 00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:34,930 anti meat they really were I guess a 881 00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,500 very similar liberation that's to be 882 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:40,720 expected I guess well yeah there was 883 00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:43,210 also i came to this event tonight at 884 00:35:49,049 --> 00:35:45,160 your invitation and whilst I appreciate 885 00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:49,059 the offer I was in the office for no 886 00:35:54,660 --> 00:35:50,980 more than five minutes when I noticed on 887 00:35:57,299 --> 00:35:54,670 the bookshelf a video called vaccination 888 00:36:00,450 --> 00:35:57,309 the hidden truth and I think I audibly 889 00:36:02,190 --> 00:36:00,460 did squeal a bit tonight investigated it 890 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:02,200 at the end and it was our friends Isaac 891 00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:05,170 golden and Vera Shrive now here we know 892 00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:08,680 very well as anti-vaccination ists so it 893 00:36:13,019 --> 00:36:11,529 seems to me that perhaps it's possible 894 00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:13,029 that these people subscribe to all kinds 895 00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,670 of extreme Billings not just animal 896 00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,440 immigration I think you're right i mean 897 00:36:22,109 --> 00:36:19,440 the extreme end of an animal liberation 898 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:22,119 would be in with the conspiracy theories 899 00:36:28,499 --> 00:36:25,569 and the ante back some sure it sort of 900 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:28,509 goes along i didn't know this before but 901 00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,609 i wonder if what people out there were 902 00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:32,079 the genuine interest in animal welfare 903 00:36:38,910 --> 00:36:35,980 would think of their money going to fund 904 00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:38,920 somebody who talks to cars well that's 905 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:40,180 an interesting point and the other thing 906 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:42,130 that Jason and I were discussing earlier 907 00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,930 was there was an underlying tone of 908 00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,240 animal cruelty in terms of experiments 909 00:36:52,319 --> 00:36:48,880 so they a couple of times it was raised 910 00:36:54,089 --> 00:36:52,329 about chimps or Apes that had been 911 00:36:56,309 --> 00:36:54,099 tortured and then were released to their 912 00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:56,319 carers and they told their carers about 913 00:36:59,220 --> 00:36:57,460 the horrible things that they've been 914 00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,230 through of course that's not humans 915 00:37:04,259 --> 00:37:00,640 putting their perception onto an animal 916 00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:04,269 at all is it Jason of course not and you 917 00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:06,940 know vivisection ceased in the 1970s it 918 00:37:11,099 --> 00:37:09,160 doesn't happen anymore there are so many 919 00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,109 rules in terms of animal ethics for what 920 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:12,640 you can do as a scientist and these 921 00:37:16,589 --> 00:37:14,410 things are followed and you checked up 922 00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:16,599 on and they're you know they're policed 923 00:37:20,670 --> 00:37:19,420 really strictly we don't take chimps and 924 00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,680 put them in the lab and poke them in the 925 00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:22,240 eyes with mascara and then let them out 926 00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:23,200 in the middle of the night it's 927 00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,910 ridiculous these people are living in 928 00:37:28,569 --> 00:37:26,400 the 1970s 929 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:28,579 and you're right this woman's apparently 930 00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:30,690 traveling the globe writing a book about 931 00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:34,470 what cows are telling her house eyes the 932 00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:36,980 book is going to be called through cows 933 00:37:42,859 --> 00:37:39,839 but to travel the globe and all these 934 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:42,869 things requires money and again I just 935 00:37:46,190 --> 00:37:44,609 wonder if people with with a good heart 936 00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:46,200 to a really interested in animal welfare 937 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,359 as we all should be would think about 938 00:37:54,309 --> 00:37:50,640 their donation checks going to someone 939 00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:54,319 who has telepathic messages from piggies 940 00:37:59,599 --> 00:37:58,020 is a little bit like you know people 941 00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,609 giving their money to the Australian 942 00:38:03,319 --> 00:38:01,200 vaccination networking not knowing that 943 00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:03,329 their HIV deny as I suppose you know 944 00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:07,260 sorry had to get that in that's okay 945 00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:08,579 you're allowed dr. H E what did you 946 00:38:13,940 --> 00:38:11,880 think of it a hard look mood I guess 947 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:13,950 from the offset I knew that she wouldn't 948 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:15,690 do anything that would really help us to 949 00:38:18,910 --> 00:38:17,250 validate anything I was really 950 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:18,920 interested when we started talking about 951 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:21,210 the process of actually perhaps putting 952 00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:24,569 forward a test that would that was quite 953 00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:26,520 interesting but we'll saw the way she 954 00:38:31,779 --> 00:38:29,910 stepped around it and yeah she always 955 00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:31,789 had some sort we were way of covering 956 00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:35,160 any sort of testable message right and 957 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:36,510 we had so many things where she actually 958 00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:39,690 did say a certain piece of evidence and 959 00:38:44,539 --> 00:38:43,020 he could be validated but there was 960 00:38:46,279 --> 00:38:44,549 never any more than just an anecdote 961 00:38:47,779 --> 00:38:46,289 there was there was nothing there 962 00:38:49,940 --> 00:38:47,789 substantially all I think we all sort of 963 00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,950 wanted to see her actually talking to 964 00:38:54,140 --> 00:38:51,720 her dog in and identify the way but 965 00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:54,150 there was none of that so I've been a 966 00:38:57,559 --> 00:38:55,950 little bit non-stop conversations 967 00:38:59,180 --> 00:38:57,569 animals a lot of back and forth next 968 00:39:00,589 --> 00:38:59,190 moment you're saying well doesn't really 969 00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:00,599 work like a today happens occasionally 970 00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:04,230 often not unexpected you can't really be 971 00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:06,119 tested that reliably yeah because on 972 00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,950 that I asked her well then you must be 973 00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:09,599 overwhelmed with messages from animals 974 00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,640 that are in distress or just want to 975 00:39:15,529 --> 00:39:13,680 have a chat you know how do you just 976 00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:15,539 select the messages that you want to 977 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:17,160 deal with then she said I well you know 978 00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:19,529 when I go into situations where I know 979 00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:21,000 there's going to be distressed I close 980 00:39:26,809 --> 00:39:24,630 that off is what has that even gonna 981 00:39:29,029 --> 00:39:26,819 work but she says that she's trying to 982 00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:29,039 help animals but when she goes into a 983 00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:31,230 battery farm she doesn't listen to all 984 00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:32,030 the hymns 985 00:39:35,110 --> 00:39:33,470 she's only there to talk to an 986 00:39:36,610 --> 00:39:35,120 individual chicken it's like walking 987 00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:36,620 away from a child you know is being 988 00:39:40,210 --> 00:39:38,510 abused yeah like you don't just walk 989 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:40,220 away and close your eyes and ears to it 990 00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:43,370 and deny it it's right yes you did 991 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:45,560 honestly this was a little adventure 992 00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:47,510 into the mindset of the believer tonight 993 00:39:54,250 --> 00:39:50,590 I think more than anything yeah they 994 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:54,260 fully put a personify animals a lot more 995 00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:56,330 than what I originally thought I knew 996 00:40:01,570 --> 00:39:59,450 these people really humanize animals to 997 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:01,580 a degree but tonight was just a 998 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:03,890 demonstration of just how much stupid 999 00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,250 there is out there but a moment you 1000 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:08,960 start talking right through the very end 1001 00:40:12,460 --> 00:40:10,970 all the entire thing sounds like to me 1002 00:40:14,350 --> 00:40:12,470 was she reading the animal's body 1003 00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:14,360 language this is how most animals 1004 00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:15,200 communicate they can't communicate 1005 00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:16,820 verbally communicate with each other 1006 00:40:20,590 --> 00:40:18,740 through body language how they act how 1007 00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,600 they behave and that's all she was 1008 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:21,680 reading she just thought it was 1009 00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:23,810 something else entirely oh and just just 1010 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:25,700 asserting and putting on top of that 1011 00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:28,370 memories to get distorted and anything 1012 00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:29,630 that happens all that must be the 1013 00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:31,220 psychic reason that happened it was just 1014 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:33,710 getting silly we've just had some piggy 1015 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:37,010 turn up on the table here look at the 1016 00:40:43,150 --> 00:40:39,890 piggy Oh has anyone checked it 1017 00:40:44,830 --> 00:40:43,160 spiritually yet if it's cleansed or do 1018 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:44,840 we know if it's safe well I guess we can 1019 00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:46,490 live up to my ear and I can't hear or 1020 00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:50,480 say anything so i guess it's 1021 00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:52,190 telepathically it's a telepathic message 1022 00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:56,360 oh very much well I think we should ho 1023 00:40:59,950 --> 00:40:58,850 into our noms and I'd like to thank you 1024 00:41:02,020 --> 00:40:59,960 all for coming along tonight and 1025 00:41:05,170 --> 00:41:02,030 enjoying this wonderful experience with 1026 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:05,180 me thank you thank you 1027 00:41:25,569 --> 00:41:22,970 ah how friends down at the canberra 1028 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:25,579 skeptics canberra the a.c.t the 1029 00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:27,290 australian capital territory war there's 1030 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:28,640 been a lot happening there in the last 1031 00:41:32,530 --> 00:41:31,010 couple of weeks i can tell you for those 1032 00:41:35,290 --> 00:41:32,540 of you who are followers trillion 1033 00:41:37,630 --> 00:41:35,300 politics but let's not think about 1034 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:37,640 politics right now on the twenty-third 1035 00:41:43,329 --> 00:41:40,609 of august at 1pm at King o'malley's 1036 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:43,339 irish pub which is right in the center 1037 00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:45,890 of the city there you can see a free 1038 00:41:52,270 --> 00:41:49,430 screening of an honest liar the story of 1039 00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:52,280 James Randi wow this sounds too good to 1040 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:55,220 be missed actually a free screening of 1041 00:42:00,220 --> 00:41:57,890 an honest liar in an Irish pub a couple 1042 00:42:02,530 --> 00:42:00,230 of beers a burger or two and an honest 1043 00:42:05,970 --> 00:42:02,540 liar with james randi sounds like the 1044 00:42:08,530 --> 00:42:05,980 deal to me go to Canberra skeptics or 1045 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:08,540 got a you for more information and 1046 00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:10,970 another one to set in your diary for the 1047 00:42:17,289 --> 00:42:14,480 Canberra skeptics is a free talk the 1048 00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:17,299 science and pseudoscience of allergy by 1049 00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:20,569 dr. Katrina Randall and she's got more 1050 00:42:24,549 --> 00:42:22,430 letters after her name than can fit into 1051 00:42:28,809 --> 00:42:24,559 the alphabet Thursday the seventeenth of 1052 00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:28,819 September from 6pm to 730 p.m. at the 1053 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:32,569 Daily Chronicle room east hotel 69 1054 00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:35,930 Canberra Avenue Kingston mission is free 1055 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:37,940 and of course for more information about 1056 00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:39,890 this and all sorts of things the 1057 00:43:06,630 --> 00:42:41,270 Canberra skeptics are doing go to 1058 00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,890 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1059 00:43:12,820 --> 00:43:10,160 zone and I'm looking forward to meeting 1060 00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:12,830 you Sydneysiders at Sydney skeptics in 1061 00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,040 the pub for the skeptic zone live this 1062 00:43:21,490 --> 00:43:18,560 thursday the sixth of august at the 1063 00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:21,500 crown hotel what fun that'll be what fun 1064 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:23,240 I can't wait for that that's great and I 1065 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:24,770 look forward to also meeting you if 1066 00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:26,210 you're coming to the Australian skeptics 1067 00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,520 National Convention a bit later in the 1068 00:43:32,830 --> 00:43:31,040 year in October and thank you again to 1069 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:32,840 all those lovely people who came up to 1070 00:43:38,530 --> 00:43:35,450 me during the amazing meeting a couple 1071 00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:38,540 of weeks ago in Las Vegas so many people 1072 00:43:42,850 --> 00:43:40,550 from all around the world what a great 1073 00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:42,860 event it was busy I was busy as ever i'm 1074 00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,960 always visit the amazing meaning but it 1075 00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:46,640 was so nice to see people who came up to 1076 00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:48,140 the skeptics own table or just had a 1077 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:51,740 quiet word with me here and there lots 1078 00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:54,170 of fans passing on their best wishes to 1079 00:44:01,080 --> 00:43:56,270 me and the whole team so thanks very 1080 00:44:04,330 --> 00:44:01,090 much again next week show number 3 55 1081 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:04,340 will be the recording of the live event 1082 00:44:07,930 --> 00:44:06,530 by having at skeptics in the pub you 1083 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:07,940 know what I think I'll probably try and 1084 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:10,850 periscope that as we're doing it those 1085 00:44:15,790 --> 00:44:12,410 people who follow the skeptic zone on 1086 00:44:17,020 --> 00:44:15,800 twitter at skeptic zone when we start 1087 00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:17,030 that i'll see what i can do i'll see if 1088 00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:19,460 i can rig up something to periscope that 1089 00:44:24,940 --> 00:44:22,940 live so you can enjoy that as it's 1090 00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:24,950 happening and maybe you can send in 1091 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:26,540 questions keep an eye out for that 1092 00:44:31,630 --> 00:44:29,210 anyway but for this week this is Richard 1093 00:44:35,710 --> 00:44:31,640 Saunders and Fred the cat who is not 1094 00:44:38,410 --> 00:44:35,720 here oh well probably out looking for a 1095 00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:38,420 pet psychic signing off from Sydney 1096 00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:45,040 you've been listening to the skeptics 1097 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:48,350 own podcast visit our website at wwc 1098 00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:51,770 pegs on TV for contacts and archive of 1099 00:44:58,330 --> 00:44:55,670 all episodes since 2008 and our online 1100 00:45:01,020 --> 00:44:58,340 store please support the skeptic zone by 1101 00:45:04,030 --> 00:45:01,030 following us on twitter at skeptic zone 1102 00:45:07,090 --> 00:45:04,040 liking us on facebook and leaving a 1103 00:45:09,970 --> 00:45:07,100 review on iTunes you can also show your 1104 00:45:13,450 --> 00:45:09,980 support by subscribing via paypal for as 1105 00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:13,460 little as 99 cents a week the skeptic 1106 00:45:17,470 --> 00:45:15,800 zone is an independent production the 1107 00:45:19,570 --> 00:45:17,480 views and opinions expressed on the 1108 00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:19,580 skeptic zone and not necessarily those